NINJA: First, the full Ninja info: Final A/D = 244.8/244.8 At level 249 Ninja's A/D surpased Artisan's Max AD (Art max was 165/165) with a value of 166.6/166.6 Extra attacks: 1 - 28 2 - 60 3 - 131 4 - 187 5 - Greater then 465 (thats where I stopped, the % score was 55%) Thieving 59% Backstab 26% Critical 43% Multihit 55% Fighting 51% Perceptn 66% Language 17% Learned Goble as only language (and that to only 78%) the mandatory quests though: 7 Kill Footpad, Iron Dagger 19 Kill Outcast, 750 gold 29 return Explorer's Guild Plan, Aard of Being 40, return Disciple, 2000 gold 48, Kill Slave Masher, Steel Dagger 60, return Te-waza of Self Infliction, Boots of Evading 75, return Daemon, 9000 gold 88, return Aard of Being, Silver Dragon 100, return Ravager, Te-waza of Demise Second, The goblie and hand quests were a real pain until I found out how to "turn off" a random quest in the data files (heh heh heh). After that, it was smooth sailing. I should be able to churn through the other classes with ease. Stay tuned for the next installment, Warriors: How good are they? ------------------ Lawrence A. James