THIEF: Well, I finished thieves this morning. Rather uneventful. Max A/D at level 394 with value 158.4/194.4 The thief's attack skill never made it past Artisan 200, and the Thief's max defense is equivalent to a lvl 322 ninja or a lvl 271 Warrior. The thief never gets a 2nd attack, nor does he get critical strikes. The percentages at lvl 460 (same lvl as Warrior for comparison) are : Thieving 76% Backstab 55% Critical 0% Multihit 0% Fighting 14% Perception 56% Language 24% Gain Goble to 100% and Orcish to 74% (Same as Warrior) As a side note, Magical Entry never costs less then 3 mp. The mandatory quest rewards weren't all that inspiring either: 7, Kill Orc, Padded Leather Armor 20, return Nugena Gloves, Salve of Health 35, Kill Cutthroat, 3000 gold 49, Kill Skuldragl, Thief Sword 55, return Scavanger, Aard of Being 66, return Thief's Chest, 6500 gold 79, return Gloves of the Blackgaurd, Cloak of Invisiblity 91, (just got reward), Burglar 100, return Amulet of Flames, Poison Dagger My spreadsheet now has 4 guilds, next will be paladins (since Ramstein asked) I am saving the spell casters for last. ------------------ Lawrence A. James